~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please read this document carefully. There are 3 main sections 1) How to use the TBDEV list 2) List rules //--- make sure that you have read these! 3) Contact addresses Before posting a question to the list, please check The Bat! User's FAQ at: https://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html and the list archive at https://thebat.dutaint.com/sympa/arc/tbbeta To join the list, send a message to mailto:tbdev-join@thebat.dutaint.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How to use the list ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The TBDEV list has been set up for the purpose of discussing programming issues relating to The Bat!, particularly issues that deal with writing plug-ins. Simply send messages to mailto:TBDEV@thebat.dutaint.com to send it to the whole list. See the notes at the end of this message for details about how to manage your list membership or to leave the list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It would probably be a good idea for you to set up a folder to keep TBDEV messages in. If you do this, the next most useful thing to have in place is an automatic filter to move mail from your inbox into your TBDEV folder. Set up a filter for incoming mail which looks for: Header Field [Reply-To] Contains [TBDEV@thebat] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Terms and conditions of use for TBDEV (The RULES!) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Note: If your e-mail is moderated for breaking one of the list rules, please don't take it personally. We aren't out to get you. Nobody is perfect and we sometimes forget the rules. The moderators use standardized templates as friendly reminders to list members when a rule has been broken. Please take it as such.. a friendly reminder, not a public admonition to demean you. Moderation on-list is an absolute. There a couple of good reasons for doing it that way. On-list moderation prevents: 1) Copy-cat infringements (he / she posted like that and nobody said anything - I'll do the same). 2) Member moderation (he / she posted like that and nobody said anything - I'm gonna complain). Nuff said. Here are the rules: Please try to adhere to standard netiquette. Mainly: a. Don't type in all CAPS. RESERVE ALL CAPS FOR YELLING. If you wish to emphasize a word, use one of these conventions: 1. This _word_ is underlined. 2. This *word* is emphasized. 3. This /word/ is italicized b. Disagreements are inevitable, but please refrain from engaging in flame wars. We are *not* saying you can't argue on this list, but please try to adhere to the following: 1. Stick to the facts, unless stating your opinion, but please make it clear that it is your opinion. 2. Do not use profanity. This list is not the place for it. If a list member is consistently abusive, they will be banned from the list. 3. Do not turn a discussion into a slanging match by resorting to personal insults and/or derogatory remarks. Things such as, but not limited to: You're an ^@%*$, or any variant thereof. Telling someone to do something to you, themselves or someone else. Name-calling. Making remarks of a clearly personal and insulting nature. Making statements clearly designed to aggravate a situation or taunt someone. If a list member is consistently abusive, they will be banned from the list. 4. There comes a time in every argument that it becomes a dead horse. If you wish to continue to beat this horse, take it to private e-mail or to TBOT (see the section at the end of these notes regard the TBOT list). If a thread has been declared either Off-Topic or a Dead Horse, this means that discussion on that thread is to cease immediately. c. Off-topic posts will be kept to a minimum. We're *not* saying we can't have them, sometimes they are needed to break the monotony or are interesting. Just please keep them to a minimum. Please precede your SUBJECT line with either of the following two conventions: OT: for Off-Topic discussions such as asking about a Windows configuration problem not related to TB. SOT: for slightly Off-Topic discussions such as talking about other e-mail software. There are two types of off-topic posts that will get you immediately removed from the list. The first is SPAM. All SPAM will be reported to SpamCop. We're going to define SPAM as we see it. If someone posts a message, and their sig contains information that is *not* commercial in nature, we have no problem with that. We will *not* allow posts whose intention is to sell a product or service for monetary value. The exception to this rule is if you are answering a question which requires this kind of information. If it's a grey area, the subscriber will be warned. After a couple of warnings, they will be banned from the list. The second type of off-topic post that we will not allow are ones that are racial and/or discriminatory in nature. If you have a problem with someone, take it to private e-mail but, be warned, anyone who makes such a private attack as a result of an encounter here will be evicted as an undesirable. d. When posting your question, provide a meaningful subject line. Just putting 'The Bat! crash', is not helpful or meaningful. Putting 'The Bat! causes a GPF when I click the goober button.' is much better. Also, when posting a problem, include as many details as possible. The type of computer you are using, the amount of RAM, hard drive space, and which version of Windows you are using. Please see rule 'h' for a great way to have this information automatically appended to each of your messages sent to the list. Additionally, it would be helpful to know what applications you have running in the background, the circumstances in which the failure happens etc.. Just try to be as detailed and complete as possible. It cuts down on the number of posts which sole purpose is to elicit more information from you, as well as making it easier on the person trying to help you. (see rule 'k') e. If you reply to a list post: trim! Delete most of the original post except the important aspects. What we're getting at here is that you don't hit reply to a four paragraph question, type your response at the top and hit send. Try to cut out as much as possible while retaining the general gist of the original message. While we're here, this list frowns on the practice of 'top posting'. Please use in-line responses - it makes the whole experience more conversational: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ } Someone makes this point.. [..snip] A reply is made with this response. }} A point made two messages back [..snip] } and this was said to make someone think Which leads to this summary. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Top posting turns conversations upside down and makes them hard to follow: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Terrible } How does it smell? }} My dog's got no nose. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ f. Please don't post 'Me too' and 'Thank you' type messages. If you feel the need to send this type of reply, send it privately to the poster. What this basically means, is that if someone helps you out, or you want a file the poster has offered to anyone wanting it, send them the message privately. If you agree with what a list member has posted, 'I agree' posts are acceptable, but please try to adhere to rule 'h' (below). g. Sigs are fine, but don't make them excessively long. 4-6 lines is generally about right. If people are complaining about your sig, then maybe you should shorten it. Please also place a '-- ' (dash dash space CR) on a clear line before your sig so that it is automatically excluded from replies. Note: As moderators, we digitally sign our moderation messages so that the list members are assured of the message authenticity. For this reason, our on-list signatures tend to break this rule. h. When writing to the list, especially when asking for help with a problem you may be having, it is useful, nay, vital to specify which version of The Bat! you are using and even which operating system you are using. To that end, it is a good idea to add the following text to the New Message and Reply macros for your TBUDL folder templates: Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %- %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION If you have a TBUDL entry in your address book, you can also add these macros to any templates you may be using there. i. Please start all new topics by creating a brand new message. Do *not* just reply to an existing message and change the subject. The Bat! is a 'threading' mail client. It threads messages using message IDs and Reference headers. Most list members use one of the threading views to sort messages. Whenever anyone replies to a message, it becomes threaded beneath the message to which it is a reply whether or not the subject is changed. If you reply to a message to start a new topic, it will have one or more of the following effects: 1) Your message will be ignored by those not following that thread. 2) Everyone's threading for that message will be messed up. 3) You may not get the answers your questions deserve. 4) Threading purists will get annoyed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TBOT - The Bat off topic discussion list ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ One of our members has created a list for those occasional off topic discussions of public interest. Please feel free to join this list, where many of our readership currently participate. 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